{"id":49,"date":"2016-06-17T00:26:24","date_gmt":"2016-06-16T22:26:24","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/?p=49"},"modified":"2020-05-22T17:00:14","modified_gmt":"2020-05-22T15:00:14","slug":"neues-aus-der-visco-werkstatt-c02-visco","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/en\/2016\/06\/17\/neues-aus-der-visco-werkstatt-c02-visco\/","title":{"rendered":"Progress from Austria: Co2-VC"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>After improving the Viscous-Coupling of the T3-Synro with a special valve and solving the oil-sucking-problem I was thinking about how to make our VC even better.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>I reflected on how to increase the life span of the VC, because the silicon-oil is aging at high temperatures. By using a decoupler this aging can be minimized, but not everyone is willing to refit one.<\/p>\n<p>I was able to document the process of aging by an on- and off-road test over 10.000 km with the following setup<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>2mm unequal worn tirnes<\/li>\n<li>maximum speed (110km\/h)<\/li>\n<li>off-road in sand<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>After six month of testing I measured the VC once again on the test rig and got the following result.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_50\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-50\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/BILD1.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-50\" src=\"https:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/BILD1-300x197.jpg\" alt=\"Aging VC after 10tkm\" width=\"300\" height=\"197\" srcset=\"http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/BILD1-300x197.jpg 300w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/BILD1-768x504.jpg 768w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/BILD1-1024x672.jpg 1024w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/BILD1-750x492.jpg 750w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/BILD1-400x263.jpg 400w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/BILD1-430x282.jpg 430w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/BILD1-150x98.jpg 150w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/BILD1-100x66.jpg 100w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/BILD1.jpg 1197w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-50\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Aging VC after 10tkm<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>You can clearly see the increase in viscosity and hump-temperature. Therefore I recommend a lower hump-temperature \u2013 because it\u2019s steadly increasing. The process decelerates over time, but after 100 to 150.000km the VC will look like that:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/BILD2-2.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-53 alignnone\" src=\"https:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/BILD2-2-300x195.jpg\" alt=\"VC 300tkm\" width=\"300\" height=\"195\" srcset=\"http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/BILD2-2-300x195.jpg 300w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/BILD2-2-768x500.jpg 768w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/BILD2-2-1024x666.jpg 1024w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/BILD2-2-750x488.jpg 750w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/BILD2-2-400x260.jpg 400w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/BILD2-2-430x280.jpg 430w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/BILD2-2-150x98.jpg 150w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/BILD2-2-100x65.jpg 100w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/BILD2-2.jpg 1214w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The viscosity of that aged silicon oil in the VC would be like 60.000AK. Such a VC wouldn\u2019t damage the transmission, but parking without power-steering can be quite hard.<\/p>\n<p><strong>WHAT CAN BE DONE?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The process of oxidation can be avoided by replacing the oxgen from the air with Co2. W.Peschke researched this phenomena in his dissertation and provides some evidence about that:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/Peschke_27.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-54 alignnone\" src=\"https:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/Peschke_27-300x275.jpg\" alt=\"Peschke_27\" width=\"300\" height=\"275\" srcset=\"http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/Peschke_27-300x275.jpg 300w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/Peschke_27-768x703.jpg 768w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/Peschke_27-750x686.jpg 750w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/Peschke_27-400x366.jpg 400w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/Peschke_27-430x394.jpg 430w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/Peschke_27-150x137.jpg 150w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/Peschke_27-100x92.jpg 100w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/Peschke_27.jpg 802w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>And also the german silicon-oil manufacturer \u201cWacker\u201d writes about a higher temperature-resistance of the silicone-oil in a Co2-atmosphere.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/Wacker_AK_inert.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-55 alignnone\" src=\"https:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/Wacker_AK_inert-300x211.jpg\" alt=\"Wacker_AK_inert\" width=\"300\" height=\"211\" srcset=\"http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/Wacker_AK_inert-300x211.jpg 300w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/Wacker_AK_inert-400x281.jpg 400w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/Wacker_AK_inert-430x302.jpg 430w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/Wacker_AK_inert-150x105.jpg 150w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/Wacker_AK_inert-100x70.jpg 100w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/Wacker_AK_inert.jpg 633w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>With the help of a vaccum pump I was able to degas the silicon oil and replace the oxgen with Co2. Also interesting is the amout of dissolved air in the silicon-oil. <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/8Yg493LwrmE\">Here<\/a> you can see a short clip of degassing silicon oil.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/20151110_121942.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-56 alignnone\" src=\"https:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/20151110_121942-300x180.jpg\" alt=\"20151110_121942\" width=\"300\" height=\"180\" srcset=\"http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/20151110_121942-300x180.jpg 300w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/20151110_121942-768x461.jpg 768w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/20151110_121942-1024x615.jpg 1024w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/20151110_121942-750x450.jpg 750w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/20151110_121942-400x240.jpg 400w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/20151110_121942-430x258.jpg 430w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/20151110_121942-150x90.jpg 150w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/20151110_121942-100x60.jpg 100w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/20151110_121942.jpg 1408w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/20151110_121952.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\" wp-image-57 alignnone\" src=\"https:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/20151110_121952-180x300.jpg\" alt=\"20151110_121952\" width=\"109\" height=\"182\" srcset=\"http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/20151110_121952-180x300.jpg 180w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/20151110_121952-768x1280.jpg 768w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/20151110_121952-615x1024.jpg 615w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/20151110_121952-750x1250.jpg 750w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/20151110_121952-400x667.jpg 400w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/20151110_121952-430x716.jpg 430w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/20151110_121952-150x250.jpg 150w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/20151110_121952-100x167.jpg 100w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/20151110_121952.jpg 845w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 109px) 100vw, 109px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The degassing takes quite a long time (48h) \u2013 unfortunately otherwise gas-bubbles will make problems with the filling.<\/p>\n<p>Continous test runs have already shown the non-existing aging of the Co2 Viscous-couplings. But in addition I also made an on- and off-road test over 10.000km.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/20160313_191354.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-61 alignnone\" src=\"https:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/20160313_191354-300x180.jpg\" alt=\"20160313_191354\" width=\"300\" height=\"180\" srcset=\"http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/20160313_191354-300x180.jpg 300w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/20160313_191354-768x461.jpg 768w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/20160313_191354-1024x614.jpg 1024w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/20160313_191354-750x450.jpg 750w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/20160313_191354-400x240.jpg 400w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/20160313_191354-430x258.jpg 430w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/20160313_191354-150x90.jpg 150w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/20160313_191354-100x60.jpg 100w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>And here you can see the before and after diagram:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/BILD-NEU.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-58 alignnone\" src=\"https:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/BILD-NEU-300x192.jpg\" alt=\"BILD-NEU\" width=\"300\" height=\"192\" srcset=\"http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/BILD-NEU-300x192.jpg 300w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/BILD-NEU-768x491.jpg 768w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/BILD-NEU-1024x654.jpg 1024w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/BILD-NEU-750x479.jpg 750w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/BILD-NEU-400x256.jpg 400w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/BILD-NEU-430x275.jpg 430w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/BILD-NEU-150x96.jpg 150w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/BILD-NEU-100x64.jpg 100w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/BILD-NEU.jpg 1210w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>As you can see, there\u2019s practically no aging of the silicon oil. Although unequal worn tires were used for the test-setup. In the future I will \u00a0sell the improved Co2- Viscous Couplings only.<\/p>\n<p><strong>UPDATE 2020:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>A Syncro driver from mountainous Vorarlberg (Austria) subjected our Co2-Visco to a long-term test from 2016 to 2020. Back in summer of 2016 we were contacted after the Syncro driver had to complain about a defective VC (from a competitor) after only 10tkm.<\/p>\n<p>With the intention only to take the role of an appraiser, the Syncro driver had lost faith in the principle of the viscous coupling and was thinking of converting the Syncro with a decoupler. We were able to convince him to try it once again with our improved Co2-VC.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_442\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-442\" style=\"width: 520px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/polen_small.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-442\" src=\"http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/polen_small-300x225.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"520\" height=\"390\" srcset=\"http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/polen_small-300x225.jpg 300w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/polen_small-768x576.jpg 768w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/polen_small-750x562.jpg 750w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/polen_small-400x300.jpg 400w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/polen_small-430x322.jpg 430w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/polen_small-150x112.jpg 150w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/polen_small-100x75.jpg 100w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/polen_small.jpg 794w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 520px) 100vw, 520px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-442\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">T3 Syncro &#8211; High Tatra<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Now that our VC has been tested in Corsica, Liguria, the High Tatras and the Baltic Sea in the last 3.5 years, we have again measured the VC on our test stand.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_443\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-443\" style=\"width: 520px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/VC3023_2016-2020.png\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-443\" src=\"http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/VC3023_2016-2020-300x193.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"520\" height=\"334\" srcset=\"http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/VC3023_2016-2020-300x193.png 300w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/VC3023_2016-2020-768x493.png 768w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/VC3023_2016-2020-750x481.png 750w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/VC3023_2016-2020-400x257.png 400w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/VC3023_2016-2020-430x276.png 430w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/VC3023_2016-2020-150x96.png 150w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/VC3023_2016-2020-100x64.png 100w, http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/VC3023_2016-2020.png 921w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 520px) 100vw, 520px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-443\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">2016 (purple) \/ 2020 (blue)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>With the mileage of 18,600 km we could hardly measure any wear!<\/p>\n<p>The Syncro driver also noticed that tire pressures and tread depths were often not perfect. This result confirms the one of 2016, in which the 10tkm were completed within one year.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Nachdem die Visco nun dank dem Spezialventil nicht mehr den vorzeitigen Kindstod stirbt, haben wir uns \u00fcberlegt wie man die Visco noch besser machen kann. Und ganz klar, jetzt muss [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[7,4],"tags":[],"translation":{"provider":"WPGlobus","version":"2.8.8","language":"en","enabled_languages":["de","en"],"languages":{"de":{"title":true,"content":true,"excerpt":false},"en":{"title":true,"content":true,"excerpt":false}}},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/49"}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=49"}],"version-history":[{"count":25,"href":"http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/49\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":478,"href":"http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/49\/revisions\/478"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=49"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=49"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/vw-kern.at\/blog\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=49"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}